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Big-Brand Computers and Windows 9x Rate Topic: 
#1 
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Posted Today, 02:30 AM
Okay, its been a while, and I'm back - and looking for a suitable 98 machine. The Celeron PC that I've used for this is unstable (being from 2004), even with 98 drivers for its components and very slow, is equally slow on XP for whatever reason.I'm scouring the likes of eBay for computers that are compatible with Windows 98SE or Me. The HP DC7100u that I got in January for my Home-Server (on XP Pro) actually has chipset drivers for Windows 98, Me, 2000 and XP. Though I'm not going to try putting 98 on that (The server will instead be downgraded to Windows 2000 Pro or Server next year).
Basically, I'm looking for an older Big-Brand box, capable of playing older games (Pre-2003 or so) - so I suppose a P3 or better is advisable. What models would be capable of this, and aren't giant Pizza-Box (SFF) style models or are mini-towers?
The other issue I face is whether to go Windows Me or not. Almost 10 years ago, my 2nd computer ran that OS longer than the previous 98 installations, but I understand that I may not be able to get user created content/old updates on this site, with the OS being "jumped on" by Windows XP 10 months later... So 98 is really a first choice for me.
Thanks for any help guys: It is very appreciated!
#2 ?
Posted Today, 04:19 AM
Win98se and WinME are pretty much interchangeable at the chipset level but device drivers for things like modems and things may have different packages.You definitely do not have to go all the way back to 2003 because there are boards made into 2005 that are fine, and quite possibly even later. There are two main steps to take: get a supported motherboard, and then the CPU.
[1] You will want to start by targeting the motherboard by chipset, not the CPU. For Intel I believe the last fully supported chipset is i865, and for AMD on nVidia the last is nForce 2. I don't know what the last Via chipset is. There may be sketchy or modded support for Intel boards beyond i865 also and this forum is definitely the one to ask about them. You will soon have all the answers you need. "Fully Supported" means there are chipset drivers ( for Intel that is the so-called INF Installer ) that enable all the onboard functions in Windows 9x. There are ways to dodge this somewhat by using add-in graphics and sound cards that have native Win9x support thereby obviating the need for that component of the chipset drivers ( you will have no onboard video or audio capability ). But this gets into the esoteric and nitty gritty so you may not want to be in on that level of detail. I'll let others mention the newer chipsets but if you want safe i865 is the one.
[2] After you find a supported board, then you need to get the official specifications for that exact model, usually a PDF, and find the supported CPU list and find the best ones (single core is all that will ever work in Win9x though I think multi-cores might run but with obviously only one core utilized). By "best" I mean shorthand for non-Celeron, highest frequency with biggest L2 cache. For Intel these will invariably be a Pentium 4 from the earlier Northwood era or the later, faster and hotter Prescott era. You can actually get the 3+ GHz 2 MB L2 Prescotts working for Win9x.
Remember that the CPU comes after the motherboard! It is completely dependent on the motherboard specs. Just because you have a socket 478 board does NOT mean it is capable of using any 478 CPU. I actually have a few by Dell here that can only use chips before the later Prescott steppings limiting their boards to the 3+ GHz with only 1 MB L2 cache models, but other boards support all the steppings. So you shouldn't limit yourself to "big box" boards at all! They might actually limit your CPU choices. After you get a motherboard and research the maximum CPU possible then you head off to eBay and PriceWatch and find a single CPU for sale which will doubtlessly cost almost nothing these days ( unlike 10 years ago! ).
Also keep in mind that if you locate a great Win9x board with full chipset support, but say it comes with a crappy Celeron or too early non-Celeron ( 2.0 GHz rather than 2.6 GHz or 3.2 GHz ), as long as that board supports it there is nothing to stop you from pulling that CPU and replacing it with the maximum CPU allowed by the specs. This is probably a good plan actually. There are probably tons of retiring boards like this that the owners never considered upgrading the CPU. You're in luck because it is a buyers market! 3.4 GHz Prescott for $10 to $20 on this list. 
EDIT: typo
This post has been edited by CharlotteTheHarlot: Today, 04:25 AM
#3 
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Posted Today, 08:07 AM
CharlotteTheHarlot, on Today, 04:19 AM, said:
...For Intel I believe the last fully supported chipset is i865...
i875. 
It's just that there seem to be very few boards actually using this chipset. But I can verify that the Intel D875PBZ (the REAL Intel version, NOT the "WASP" ones used by OEM's, they seem to be unpredictable) works 100% with 98SE.
(Note that the D875PBZ does not have integrated sound, which I thought was very odd for a "modern" motherboard. 
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Searching for i865 boards will give a much wider range of choices though.
This post has been edited by LoneCrusader: Today, 08:12 AM
#4 ?
Posted Today, 09:43 AM
When it comes to the VIA chipsets, I imagine that the VIA PT880 Pro/Ultra is the highest / last chipset with win-9x/me drivers. A popular (and probably one of the last) motherboards based on that chipset is several ASROCK Dual boards, in particular the Dual VSTA. There is one on ebay for sale for $30. It has AGP and PCIe slots, and also has both DDR and DDR2 ram slots. It takes Intel socket 775 CPU. If you can find any 775's still NOS (new, old stock) then great, but most likely the ram and CPU will be e-bay purchases as well.When it comes to intel chipsets, there is i845 - i875 (and the older P4 CPU's), and I keep thinking that some version of the 910 or 915 chipset might have 9x/me drivers.
#5 ?
Posted Today, 10:05 AM
My idea on this topic.If you are a programmer, unlike me, then you should be able to alter the device drivers, ( like I have a AGP graphics card I want to install in my 9X machine but I do not have the right drivers ). So you have to understand, how to understand, how to edit device drivers. Not just add, the driver but update it correctly, so it can work 100% not Something that few people on this board knows how to.
The main problem with 9x/NT/OS9/OSX or any other system is the requirements, as somebody mentioned, is drivers that can identify the hardware and will run on it. Like their is distubutions of Apple OS that can run on what Windows runs on.
Again, as far as I know a person could pop any windows inside a PC type machine ( whatever thet term is i386 i582 ??? ) but once you get to drivers,
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